Ziatype Support 3880

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As suggested I’m using the x800-x880-PiezoDN-Master.quad to print on my 3880. I tried printing a “confirmation” print using the linearized curve. It wasn’t linear and well, it just didn’t look right.
So, I went back and looked at the data from the print using the original master curve. I could see reversals in the data, and I noticed that they occurred from one column to the next. For example, if I look at the print, A10 should be lighter than B1, B10 should be lighter than C1, etc. But it’s not. Not to mention some reversals in the middle of the columns as well.
I started to suspect light fall-off in my vacuum printer unit, and perhaps uneven coating as the culprit. So, I printed another 129-step target using the negative from the x800-x880-PiezoDN-Master.quad curve. This time, I also rotated the target 90 degrees in the vacuum printer. The data looked similar to my first print, so I felt I could rule out light fall-off and uneven coating as the cause.
So, I turned to the negative itself. I don’t have a transmission densitometer, so I scanned it with a flatbed scanner. I opened the image in Photoshop and read the L/K values. They showed the same behavior I am seeing in the prints. Which leads me to believe that the reversals are coming from the negative itself, and not light fall-off or uneven coating.
If it’s coming from the negatives, then I believe it must be coming from the x800-x880-PiezoDN-Master.quad curve. Linearizing the curve didn’t help.
As a side note, I used the smoother tool to linearize a .quad file for piezography, and it worked beautifully. So I feel fairly confident that I know how to use the tools, and that the inks in my 3880 are fine.
Attached is the linearization curve from data printed using the the x800-x880-PiezoDN-Master.quad file. Any thoughts?

Please upload a jpg of your scanned negative

 

thanks

Walker

FYI, it’s not the master curve. I only changed about 2% of the curve (in the max densities) and I and other people have been printing successfully from it for months now. Something else is fishy.

Walker

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Here is the scanned negative.

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You scanned this in reflective mode and not transparency mode and the scanner is not properly white balanced. That said, in the patches that can be read (lowest density to about 1/3 of the way down) I read linear results in photoshop.

I suggest scanning this properly, however, my own recent validation of a target printed with the more-dense master shows that it’s linear.

Did you just not install the linearized curve? In order to install a new curve, you have to run the printer install command (or package) again.

Walker

 

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I’m uploading the image again, this time with selected measured L values from within Photoshop. What I see is that the L values reverse as you move from the end of one row down to the start of the next.

As a test, I tried printing the 129-step onto paper, and saw similar reversals. Furthermore, I went back to the ones I did for piezography, and observed the same pattern. However, the reversals were much smaller, so it wasn’t seen as a problem.

What can be done to fix this?

 

I’ll do this when I get to work Monday

 

best,

Walker

Hi Walker,

Can you attach your neg printed from the master curve?

Thanks Walker and Keith, good information that I have to chew on when we get back.

I believe I wasn’t clear.

I wanted to know if there were any concerns with the new curves I created after linearization. They look very different from the master curves.

Nope. Not that I can see. Test and try.

This is a printed out process after all. There will be significantly more ink in the highlights all the way through the light mid-tones and that’s what it looks like in the curves.

 

Walker

I think what may be happening is ink densities are different between the top and bottom of your printer. This could be a nozzle problem.

First thing to do to see if this is the case is print this on a much larger film (13x19) rotated 90 degrees. Then measure.

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Also, please send me the neg so I can do a true densitometer test on it.

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thanks!
Walker

I’ve found someone with a densitometer and will be measuring the neg today. I will report later.

We don’t have 13x19 film yet. Will the test be successful on the size we have now (8 1/2 x 11)?

In the meantime, please post (attach) your neg printed from the master curve.